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LettersEditor: In what seems to be a never-ending stream of vituperation, Mr. Fanning strikes again. We HAVE had negotiations televised in C-Span. Pending legislation has been put on the Internet... Mr. Fanning is not the only one who has missed it. George Will missed it, too, and wrote about it in a column, but the legislation he missed had been on the Internet for two weeks. The Obama administration has in fact created an unprecedented level of openness. The debate over whether Congress should have oversight of the Fed, has been ongoing since 1906, Mr. Fanning. Perhaps you missed that, too. Here a Czar, there a Czar... Mr. Fanning, what’s your point? ...that the Obama administration has had more czars than the Bush administration? Perhaps the Bush administration should have had more...considering the disaster it was to this country. Yes, Mr. Fanning, I remember clearly the deal reached with big pharma ... preventing us from buying EXACTLY THE SAME meds made here, in Canada and Mexico, at considerably lower prices... Were the prices of Meds reduced? Yes? I have a nice bridge next to the Williamsburg bridge, I could let you have pretty cheap, Mr. Fanning. Darn right the Obama administration has attempted to overhaul the health care, regardless of whether or not you want to throw in the names of your favorite demons... and, Mr. Fanning, in case you haven’t noticed, the country wants it overhauled. Perhaps you have noticed the do-nothing, health care bill the Republicans came up with today...after what? 14 years? Inadequate transparency? Compared to what, Mr. Fanning? Robert Epstein, Green Valley
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The following are comments from the readers. In no way do they represent the view of gvnews.com. Mattie Blaylock wrote on Oct 18, 2009 7:43 AM: " There is one thing the left cannot tolerate and that is transparency. They do not like the light of day to shine on their hypocrisy. I can understand why there are people who do not like Glenn Beck. People like Mr. Epstein do not want the public to know how nuts some of Obama's people are. Beck did not make up that there are self-avowed communists in this administration or that there is one person who believes we do not have the right to expel rats from our homes and that animals are entitled to lawyers. One has to conclude that Mr. Epstein is fine with this stuff or why would he not want it exposed? Your secret is out Mr. Epstein. Mr. Epstein likes the big brother concept. That way he doesnot have to think. " VET wrote on Oct 19, 2009 5:34 AM: " So you prefer to listen to CNN and MSNBC who aren't biased. heh heh heh " Betsy Bowsse wrote on Oct 19, 2009 6:16 AM: " It's nice to finally see some balance in the Green Valley News. If you MUST print O'Rielly's cant, at least it's nice to know there are some intelligent people out there who can see it for what it is -- utter hogwash. " Jane Horton-Leasman wrote on Oct 19, 2009 7:33 AM: " Sir, you should have been watching C-Span this morning at 6 A.M. and the Larry Klayman interview, regarding his new book "WHORES", which I just ordered from Amazon. Government, news media, et al...they all have "their" agenda, and no one is representing we the people. " BA wrote on Oct 19, 2009 11:10 AM: " The only thing I disagree with, Robert, is that Fox "News" isn't fooling anyone with their claims. Unfortunately plenty of fools are fooled into thinking it's news. " Arlo wrote on Oct 19, 2009 3:39 PM: " Here's a sure solution: rid yourselves of TV entirely. I put Dish Network on "Pause" for 4 months. (Only costs $5 a month!) To discover I wasn't missing a thing. I prefer online reading. Also, anything I really want to see I can find on the web: sans commercials. Come on, who needs television? " Independent Voter wrote on Oct 19, 2009 4:37 PM: " It's interesting that the examples of bias by Fox News that Mr. Epstein uses are clearly opinion driven programs. Before making such accusations of bias, cite some real examples that were delivered under the guise of hard news. Apparently the White House initiated the attack after Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace fact-checked controversial assertions made by Tammy Duckworth, assistant secretary of the Department of Veterans Affairs. They didn't say that the fact-checking was wrong. They just said that Fox had dared to fact-check. How could anyone possibly question any information that comes out of this administration? " Linda wrote on Oct 19, 2009 6:48 PM: " I stopped watching Fox because it was all editorals - their opinions not unbiased reporting of the news. Years ago when David Brinkley did the news they tried for years to figure out what party he was. They never did. He just reported the news. Sure can't say that about the newscasters of today. " John Clum wrote on Oct 20, 2009 7:11 AM: " Who was the intelligent person that Betsy was talking about. It could not Have been Robert Epstein. It is about time Obama sttod nose to nose with FOX according to Mr. Epstein. I guess he means the way Hugo Chavez and the little jerk in North Korea stand up to the press. Mr. Epstein wants a one party system. He always has. Mr. Epstein is a tool of the far left and he makes no attempt to disguise his love for dictatorship. " Don Cicci wrote on Oct 20, 2009 7:14 AM: " It is a pretty good bet that if the left has to attack a media outlet that the outlet has told the truth and exposed the lies, and hypocrisy. Epstein is a clueless demagogue. " B.N. Kate wrote on Oct 20, 2009 7:23 AM: " Epstein called a good part of the country "dumb". I am sure he was not refrring to those who elected the Messiah. We are not allowed to critiicize. We can only do that according to the left when a Republican is president. Epstein talks about "making billions at the expense of America". Maybe he was talikng about the trial lawyers. It is the left that is waging war on this country by trying to control every aspect of your life from the cars you drive to the food you eat. There is as much tyranny from the Democratic Party now as there was when we were colonies under King George. Mr. Epstein is a classic example of those who do not want us to know the truth. He has no right to choose a "brave new world" for the rest of us. You can see that he abhors capitalism. You can be sure he is enjoying his retirement because of capitalism and not some failed system. Just another example of the totalitarianism of the left. " DFLer wrote on Oct 20, 2009 2:32 PM: " Well, you can certainly see from all these comments who's all worked up to a frenzy about tyranny, dictatorships and communists. Wonder who got them all worked up? Get a grip people, get some balance in your lives and stop watching just one network's opinion pieces. The more they rant, the higher their ratings go, the more ads they sell, the more they can rant... on and on and on. Where in the world has critical thinking gone??? " Mattie Blaylock wrote on Oct 20, 2009 9:43 PM: " Can't take DFLer. How do you know that these people do not watch other outlets. I could guarantee that they are likely more well read than you. It is important to watch and read evrything so that you can keep your friends close and your enemies closer. It is always important to really know what the other side thinks, but you would not know anything about that. I can tell you who got some of us worked up, but more importantly how. Those surrounding Obama got us worked up by their own words which you chose to ignore. Your assumptions about balance in the lives of these people is just that - assumptions. As for critical thinking, I guess you find it on MSNBC and MoveOn. What we have from DFLer is just another simpleton making excuses for things about which he/she knows nothing - my assumption. What is truly amazing is that folks like this DFLer have no problem with the whacko words and philosophy coming from the people with whom Mr. Obama surrounds himself. Note that DFLer did not actually address any of the points made by the people he pretends to refute. It is because he cannot or he simply believes the same things that spew from people like Van Jones, Ms. Dunn and Sunnstein. It is OK that Mao is Dunn's hero and Sunnstein is simply crazy with his lawyers for animals. Talk about critical thinking. DFLer gave that up a long time ago. " Gold wrote on Oct 20, 2009 10:17 PM: " I had a great time reading around your post as I read it extensively. I am looking forward to hearing more from you. Regards, Gold " R.E wrote on Oct 21, 2009 3:51 PM: " I hadn't known of this page, till a friend told me about it this morning. I'm really amused at how many of you know what I watch,what I think, and what I want. If I was an umpire, I'd call you all out on strikes. In fact, I watch only a little TV. Just enough to know what the ignorami are up to. Mr. Kates is correct. I used the word "dumb" incorrectly.I should have used the word Ignorant. Dumb, you see, is a condition. Ignorant is a choice. Here's what I want: I want America to recover from the disaster of the past 8 years. I will be more explicit, if asked. I understand that America has to carry the burden of the far right, on its back, while taking one step at a time, toward recovery.However, unless you live on Mars, you see that the country is recovering, despite the best efforts of the right wing mother ship, upon which most of you wingbats (right wing dingbats) seem to be inmates. Meanwhile, should any of you be interested in de constructing some of your myths..i.e. Obama wants to take over ....you fill in the blank. Or, Obama's spending is out of control, or...and I love this one: Dunn loves Mao... Come get me... I've even left an e-mail address..but I love it out here, where I can have some fun with you. Thanks R.E. " Mattie Blaylock wrote on Oct 21, 2009 6:06 PM: " Nothing answered, nothing addressed. Back to Bush. That's all they have. Again he has no idea about the intelligence of any individual. He and his like make it up as they go along. And you can see RE has no problem with Obama supporters who admire Mao. No problem with governement taking over various aspects of society or one's life. Marxists to the core. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic and dangerous. Nobody has to come and get R.E.. Who would want him? This is the world of the dhimmis (derived from dhimmitude - look it up) who support Barack Insane Obama. Here is somebody who as was pointed out wants one party rule. So while we are country recovering from the wingbats will it recover from the useful idiots. As far as Mr. Kates comments, RE could only talk about ignorant as opposed to dumb. No response to points made. The typical MO of the left is to attack the messenger and try to marginalize those with different opinions - the Chicago/Alinsky method of engaging in debate. Maybe if RE had anything intelligent to say, I would ask for his email address or maybe we could meet in Tombstone. " Avenger wrote on Oct 21, 2009 6:25 PM: " R.E. We are waiting with baited breath to see any response, much less an intelligent one, to a variety of points. You don't have to agree. Some of us actually believe that exchange of opinions and ideas is real diversity. So we have a jobless recovery that belies Mr. Obama's claim that unemployment will not exceed eight percent. Oh, I forgot they underestimated what they "inherited". Resp[ond to just one thing. You said you"loved Dunn loves Mao". This was made up or did she actually say she relies on Mao? Maybe it was a joke in front of HS students? Either way, very appropriate I am sure. During the last eight years, I assume you were right in every position you took. You know "Bush lied, people died". How about Obama talked while troops get killed in Afghanistan? Not as catchy, I realize. "wingbats and mothership". Now that is much better. With you Mr. RE, it appears, now Isaid appears, free speech is reserved for those who agree with you. I am sure that is what the Constitution intended. " Don Cicci wrote on Oct 21, 2009 6:48 PM: " By referring to the deconstruction of myths, Mr. Epstein reveals his true colors. Does he not take seriously the words spoken and documented. He pretends it is all made up. Here is the truth folks which you are free to dispute. The Obama Administration is deconstructing America which is more important than deconstructing myths about Anita Dunn. That can't be done anyway as we have her own words and that of many others. I know there are those who wanted change, but there are even those who voted for Obama who say this is not what I voted for. I have seen pieces before by Mr. Epstein and he is clueless. I guarantee you that the great majority of troops who went to Iraq do not think it was a disaster as Mr. Epstein says. Of course, I can also guarantee you that Mr. Epstein would claim that he supports the troops. Mr. Epstein's paradigm never changes. If I had seen his name before reading the letter, I could have figured who wrote it. The more "change" we have the more Mr. Epstein or may I call you Robert stays the same? Address some points Mr. Epstein or find another blog on which to put forth your nonsense. Tell us for example that Mr. Sunnstein does not want animals to have lawyers or as somebody pointed out he believes people do not have a right to expel rats from their homes. Prove it or just agree with his position. You obviously were never on a debating team or else it was a real bad team. Of course, I could be wrong. " John Clum wrote on Oct 21, 2009 7:01 PM: " Mr. Epstein used the term deconsruct. Interesting choice of words. Deconstructionism was a French intellectual movement designed to destroy Western Civilzation and replace it with Marxism.. Tell us Mr. Epstein, is that what you want? " Johnny Fontane wrote on Oct 21, 2009 7:12 PM: " Interesting that R.E. uses the phrase nattering nabob of negativity. So R.E. you like quoting Spiro Agnew without attribution. In some circles that might be considered plagiarism. Or did you want readers to think you were so clever? " rc wrote on Oct 22, 2009 1:23 AM: " Finally some balance in the Green Valley news and this is so true Yeh to the columnist who has written this so true! Would Fox news like some wine with that cheese? " t.c. wrote on Oct 22, 2009 1:27 AM: " Fox News I have also quit watching because they are not at all trying to unite this country not one bit! They are trying to divide this country and why so much anger and hostility can't we just hear what's going on in the World and less nit picking it got old real quick! " Josephine Marcus wrote on Oct 22, 2009 12:08 PM: " I was just wondering how T.C. has such insight that he or she can make the deterrmination that Fox is trying to divide the country. Pretty good! OK maybe they are so it is good that we have good Democrats like Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, George Soros trying to unite us. Now I feel better. " Independent Voter wrote on Oct 22, 2009 12:18 PM: " If Mr. Epstein would focus on issues and stop name calling this might turn into a good discussion. He says, "Unless you live on Mars, you see that the country is recovering". To some extent he's right, the stock market has recovered half it's losses, but unemployment is nearly 10% and headed in the wrong direction. He also says, Obama's spending is out of control is a myth. The deficit for fiscal year 2009 is $1.42 trillion, more than 3 times the deficit of the previous year. Bush bears some responsibility, since he signed the first bailout bill assembled by the Democrat controlled Congress. Obama has proposed massive government spending on health care, so likely the deficit will get much worse. He also mentioned that "Dunn loves Mao" is a myth. It was never stated that way. It was stated that Anita Dunn views Mao as one of her favorite political philosophers. There is video that supports that contention. Lastly, he says that it's a myth that Obama wants to take over. That's a pretty broad statement, one that's difficult to prove or disprove. What is true is that Obama wants much more government control over the private sector and redistribution of wealth through tax policy. This could be described as Socialism. Except for the last few years, Capitalism has made this country into one of the most prosperous nations in the world. If one cares to take the time to investigate thoroughly what brought about the near economic collapse, they would find that the sub-prime mortgage crisis was at the heart of the problem. There is plenty of blame to spread around both political parties so you can't just blame Bush. When government policy is to have as many people as possible own a home, whether they can afford it or not, the outcome was inevitable. This policy was first put into effect during the Carter years, and strengthened during the Clinton administration. Most liberals, when lacking a cogent argument, resort to name calling. Is that what we have here? " Avenger wrote on Oct 22, 2009 1:14 PM: " Mr. Epstein said Fair and balanced, is merely a euphemism for “your call is important to us”. You go Robert! Perhaps like yes we can is a euphemism for I'm from the government and I'm here to help". That is a good thing for Mr. Epstein becasue he believes the government is our sugar daddy. " Vlad wrote on Oct 22, 2009 3:21 PM: " Mr. Epstein Vampires always have a problem when exposed to the light of day. They do not like the light; they do not like the transparency. It makes it difficult for them to suck us dry. " Libby wrote on Oct 22, 2009 4:10 PM: " Independent Voter makes a good point about the name-calling. Before someone has a stroke (Vlad in particular, but check your blood pressure Avenger, Mattie, Don...) turn off Fox and take a nice walk. " Vlad wrote on Oct 22, 2009 5:00 PM: " Libby: I did not see you critique Epstein's name calling. You must be a friend of R.E. No points addressed. Actually, I was watching CNN. Sorry. Come back when you actually have something to say. In the meantime, keep your windows shut and a wooden stake next to you. " Vlad wrote on Oct 22, 2009 5:57 PM: " Poor Libby. Has no idea what people watch and assumes if you disagree with somebody like Mr. Epstein, you don't watch anything, but Fox. Nothing could be furtherf rom the truth. Having come from Eastern Europe, I know a duck when I see one and all Robert Epstein does is quack, quack. " Independent Voter wrote on Oct 22, 2009 5:57 PM: " The reason that freedom of the press is part of the first amendment to the Constitution, is that they're supposed to be the watchdog over government. When the media blindly accepts without question, whatever the government says is the right thing to do, we are in trouble. It seems to me that only Fox News has been questioning the actions of government. Maybe they should line up behind the other news networks and the New York Times, and praise the administration for bringing this country together. Oops, i don't think that's happening, the country is more divided than ever. It appears that Obama has failed! Of course we could always blame Fox News. In their quest to provide their viewers with the other side of the issue, they're just not very cooperative with the administration. " Henry Hooker wrote on Oct 23, 2009 7:30 AM: " Regardless of the positions of Fox it is unconscienable and unconstitutional for the President of the U.S. to emulate Hugo Chavez. You liberals went nuts when Nixon pulled some of the same nonsense, as you should have and as I did, but you do not believe in that old adage of "what is good for the goose....." The administration talked about Fox having a "view or perspective". Perhaps that is true, but in fairness so does MSNBC and as much as I abhor their view I would not suggest that the station be punished. So there is a meeting at the White House with Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann, Frank Rich and that most fair minded of the fair minded Maureen Dowd. That is OK too I suppose as Mr. Obama can meet with whomever he likes. Just don't pretend to be what you are a not - an objective and knowledgeable observer of the politcal scene. You pretend to want debate, but only with those with whom you agree. The others you marginalize because they are not as smart or as clever as you are. Your type is well known and you can be seen coming from a mile away. You are anything but freedom loving. " R.E. wrote on Oct 23, 2009 1:34 PM: " Mr. Hooker...Obama has NEVER violated the constitution...and your whining comment is yet more proof that Fox, or whatever outlet for the propaganda ladled out by the right wing mother ship, you drink from, has programmed you, is feeding you their usual pablum. Check the Bill of Rights..more specifically, check the 10th amendment..the "necessary Powers clause..A/K/A/ the elastic clause.. there are over 200 years of Supreme Court decisions on this....and you'll get a con. law lesson, that will forever shut you up as far as absurd comments like that are concerned. " Rye wrote on Oct 23, 2009 1:39 PM: " The reason that freedom of the press is part of the first amendment to the Constitution, is that they're supposed to be the watchdog over government. When the media blindly accepts without question, whatever the government says is the right thing to do, we are in trouble. likewise, when the government accepts whatever those intent on its failure, without question, the country is DEAD. What you don't seem to get, is that you will vote your way, and I'll vote mine, but the elections will be decided by the middle.. Once you understand that, you'll understand, that the independents..the undecideds, will determine the election results...and that if the W.H., can expose these purveyors of propaganda from the right, as the agents of disaster they, working with every breath they take, for the failure of our country, you people are in more trouble than you can handle. " Rye wrote on Oct 23, 2009 1:57 PM: " I.V. One cannot be more succinct than "unless you live on mars, you see that the recovery has started" He also says, Obama's spending is out of control is a myth. He's spending all right..but it's not out of control... Mega spending was absolutely necessary at the end of the Bush administration..it was a BI PARTISAN decision..Keep in mind that it was the Bush administration that bailed outthe banks, not Obama's.. The point with all this spending, is that when such a huge percentage of the capital in our economy, vansished, a HUGE infusion of capital was NECESSARY.... Once you understand that, you will have to agree, that Obama's spending is anything BUT out of control..it's IN control. It's EXACTLY WHAT"S NEEDED. We can go over it point by point..and I'd love to. It was stated that Anita Dunn views Mao as one of her favorite political philosophers. There is video that supports that contention.It was stated by Beck, who was found to have doctored her statement. Bogus! Glenn Beck truncates Anita Dunn's 'Mao' remarks to wildly distort what she actually said (headline from Google News) I'll leave you an e-mail address, and send you a link if you wish. Lastly, he says that it's a myth that Obama wants to take over. That statement is generally referred to when discussing G.M...and then, by those who do not understand the breadth of dependent industries that would have collapsed, had our auto industry been allowed to collapse. A better question would have been, how did we allow one company..or one industry..to get so big, as to allow this situation to exist. So..before you allege that Obama wants to take over...consider the alternative. Obama would love to have this industry stand on its own two feet this minute.. would you care to argue with that? Health care is another..and it's a long thread...but if the wingbats would only understand that the only thing this country CAN'T do, is NOTHING...then we could have a discussion of what should be done...but they can't seem to get past the rhetoric of the disaffected, they hear from their mother ship. " Rye wrote on Oct 23, 2009 2:07 PM: " Ms. Horton- Leaseman In '96, Murdoch, a marketing genius, saw an opening, with the perception that the media of the day was "Liberal" He hired Roger Ailes, a well known wingbat (right wing dingbat) TV guy, and Fox News was on the air. They took news off the news services, editorialized them, and fed them back..CALLING THEMSELVES..Fair and Balanced...They were NEVER Fair and Balanced. THAT WAS OK...except for the slogan, which was far from the truth. I've left an e-mail address, and I'd be glad to go into this further... the point is, that, as H.L. Mencken once said, "nobody ever went broke, underestimating the American public" and literally millions of gullible, naive and downright ignorant, actually BELIEVED that slogan. Recently...maybe two or three years ago, MSNBC..in answer to a demand for an offsetting opinion...has come on with reasonable ratings considering it's youth. If you want anything close to the middle, CNN is your best bet... That's not a bad thing, but the consumer ought to be able to discern for himself, what he's getting. " Rye wrote on Oct 23, 2009 2:17 PM: " Avenger Did you think "Hamlet" McChrystal's viewpoint was the only one Obama had to consider? Are you angry because Obama listens to everybody? Keep in mind, that when we went into Afghanistan in the first place, we almost ran the Taliban out of the country, only to grab defeat from the jaws of victory, by pulling the troops out of Afghanistan to go into Iraq. THEN...once we had invaded Iraq, we took our eye off the ball in Afghanistan, and literally ignored it..despite the generals' repeated requests for more troops, under Bush. So what are you complaining about? As far as respecting the troops..another poster seems to know what the troops are thinking. That whole right wing mantra about respecting the troops...comes from their inability to separate our superb Military, from the inept civilian leadership we had during the Bush years... but the new boss is n ot the same as the old boss, and we'll try , despite the best efforts of the far right...not to get fooled again.... " rye wrote on Oct 23, 2009 5:08 PM: " Mr. Cici.. Left, attacking a news media outlet... No..it's not, nor was it ever,a news media outlet. it's an editorial opinion outlet...and what could be more American than arguing with the argumentative? What is an editorial but an opinion, open to public scrutiny. Voicing your opinion, in opposition to mine, is exactly what you're complaining about. If you have a right to voice your opinion, I certainly have the right to voice mine. Unfortunately, neither of us is a public outlet, and neither of the three of us..(Fox included) is a news outlet. " rye wrote on Oct 23, 2009 5:11 PM: " M.B. Look who'se talkin' about transparency. The previous administration didn't allow anyone to see anything. They were the least transparent administration in history. This administration allows everyone to see everything...look at these pages! These armchair quarterbacks know more about what Obama is thinking, than most of Bush's cabinet knew about what he was thinking. " rye wrote on Oct 23, 2009 5:13 PM: " Keep up the whining, wingbats, it's motivating. We know, from its volume, that we're succeeding. " Henry Hooker wrote on Oct 23, 2009 6:37 PM: " First of all Robert, stamping on the 1st Amendment is unconstitutional and you continue to ignore the points made by many people. So you are back to the mothership and you still have nothing of any intelligence or importance to say. You are nothing more than a left wing pimp. " Avenger wrote on Oct 23, 2009 6:58 PM: " OK Obama listens to everybody. Everybody does not have anything meaningful to say.Obama listens to the left, period. He only pretends to listen to others. You are right the new boss is not the same and the troops despise him. I have close contact with people who have been and some who remain in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is amazing that any of them reenlist. You are correct that our military is superb. For how much longer? You said I.V. alleges that Obama wants to take over. The proof is in what he has done and attempts to do. I love that you have adopted Robert's mothership image. Don't you have an original thought or are you the same person? I do not disagree that Bush should have spent considerable more effort on Afghanistan, and I criticized him then. See we agree on something. That does not excuse Obama nor does it mean that Iraq should not also have been a priority. While I disagree with most of what you stated, for the most part you made an effort to present some cogent arguments unlike Mr. Epstein who continues to be an emotional name calling twit. You should drop the wingbat stuff and stick to trying to make intelligent points which I think you did. It does not matter that we disagree. Sure Obama should listen to a variety of people, but that does not include political operatives like David Axlerod who esswentially know nothing of international affairs. " Frank McLaury wrote on Oct 23, 2009 7:17 PM: " I have hesitated to write anything on this blog, but followed this thread and tried to look at all the points as objectively as possible. Finally, I had to say something. Robert Epstein is certainly entitled to his opinions, but if you go back to his original article he started by insulting a lot of people. He could have made his points much differently. Then you see in his last post that he essentially repeated the same invectives he used originally and as a number of people pointed out he never addressed any of the points that others made. There were some who agreed with him and posted with some respect. Some of the angry responses to Mr. Epstein are based on the tone of intolerance he first set forth. So people responded in kind. After following all of this for several days I can only conclude that Mr. Epstein is not as smart as he thinks he is and is just an insufferable bore. My recommendation to those trying to get an intelligent response is to stop wasting your time. People like Mr. Epstein never concede anything. I am sure he will think I am one of those Republican Conservative "wingbats" who escaped from the "mothership", but he would be wrong. Not all Democrats are as obnoxious or unwilling to engage in deabte that is free of name calling. Mr. Epstein is an idealogue "staright up" and if he responds I will ignore him and advise the rest of you to do the same. I do have one question for Mr. Epstein. How do you feel about President Obama giving millions to Gaza with no guarantee that the money will not fall into the hands of Hamas? Thanks to Rye for bringing a little sanity back to this discussion although you could have responded differently to Independent Voter. " Henry Hooker wrote on Oct 23, 2009 7:26 PM: " Rye Go back to the original point about Mr. Epstein not having a problem with the way Fox was being treated. This story had nothing to do with Iraq. Stay on point. On Thursday I believe ABC, CBS, CNN and even NBC stood up to say that if Fox was cut out of ia pool interview they would not participate. Let us see if Mr. Epstein now turns on those outlets because they are opposing the Venezuelan style tactics. I would also like to know the take of the GV News. " Don Cicci wrote on Oct 23, 2009 7:32 PM: " Robert I am very relived to know that we have a Constitutional lawyer of you caliber in Green Valley. I am sure we will all sleep better at night know that you are looking out for our interests. Oh, and by the way, Mr. Obama has been quoted as saying that the Constitution is flawed because it does not address redistribution of wealth. I don't know if you agree with that, but if you do I would be happy to take some of your assets. " rye wrote on Oct 24, 2009 6:22 AM: " Mr. Cici The President, like the rest of us, is entitled to his opinion. My opinion is not the same as his on that point. You may recall, that when challenged on the issue of the constitutionality of illegal wiretaps...of American citizens....President Bush replied, "the constitution is just a piece of paper" How do you feel about that/ Mr. McLaury How smart do you think I think I am? What I know..you should know. I do not apologize for a mild insult. I invite you to come get me... Stamping on the first amendment? Mr. Hooker, you'd have a better case if I said that Fox had no right to be an editorial outlet for a certain opinion...but I never said that. I never intimated that. Let them say whatever they want to say..It's not news, it's something else altogether.. Mr. Clum: on the contrary, my desire is to draw out the internal terrorists, who live and breathe to destroy everything that has made America the greatest country on earth, and replace it with an authoritarian government, which spends more time in your knickers, than it does trying to help America regain the moral authority and leadership it sacrificed during the last administration. Frankly, I doubt that most of you ever read Buckley or Goldwater, nor to you have a clue what REAL conservatism is. Goldwater..a hero of mine...spoke of a smaller, less invasive government, which should..and would have, been less expensive, thus lowering taxes. He was terribly misunderstood in 64...although those of us in college at the time, spoke often...and well...of him (I graduated in 65) Nobody enlarged government like Reagan...till the past administration... Did you know, that REAL conservatism had NO stance on any of the "adjective" conservative groups..i.e. "social" or Compassionate conservatives. REAL conservatism had no stance on religion, abortion, or any or the fringe groups that ...lacking any party identification, flocked to the conservative tent, in the years following the 64 defeat. They offered votes and money, in exchange for the furtherance of their fringe views... The Conservative party made that faustian deal. As a result, within a few years, the far right fringe managed to completely hijack the conservative party. Nowadays, Goldwater and Buckley would be called Liberals by what passes for conservatives... I cannot directly accuse any of you of being fringe wackos...although there are a few of you who seem quite comfortable wearing that shoe. " Rye wrote on Oct 24, 2009 6:29 AM: " Sure Obama should listen to a variety of people, but that does not include political operatives like David Axlerod who esswentially know nothing of international affairs. I don't know who he's speaking with..I don't know that Obama follows Axelrod's advice. I don't even know if Axelrod advises him. HOWEVER, A parallel may be drawn with the previous administration, listening to the neo cons..rather than following the advice of the Chief of Staff, Gen. Shinseki..who was essentially fired for giving an opinion that was not that of the administration... the joke was on the administration, as everything Shinseki predicted, came true. I do not wish to argue whether we should or shouldn't have invaded Iraq, but I don't think you'll want to argue that it was terribly mishandled...and that the result has been the worst case scenario..that is, Iran is now the power to be recconed with that area. We cannot defeat Iran from Iraq, and we have essentially lost iraq. " Mattie Blaylock wrote on Oct 24, 2009 7:24 AM: " Rye thinks he is succeeding because of volume of repsonse? Maybe the his oppostion is succeeding because Rye can't seem to stay away. Guess some of you are getting to him. Have seen people like him on other threads on other sites. They become obssessed. " J. Behan wrote on Oct 24, 2009 7:28 AM: " This rye guy is all over the place. He can't seem to get over Bush. I thought we had an election. Maybe he has a secret thing for W. " Jack Dalton wrote on Oct 24, 2009 7:40 AM: " You folks need to stop going after Mr. Epstein. He is one of those rare individuals who come along with a unique perspective on so many spects of human endeavor. Respect and treasure him for he is good. Repent for the evil in your hearts for your fellow man and especially toward Democrats. Breath in the fresh air and celebrate Mr. Epstein. " S. McMasters wrote on Oct 24, 2009 1:31 PM: " I counted seven consecutive posts by rye and this individual claims to be winning the argument because he sees that there are a lot of posts in opposition? Now that's what I call transparency. Seems to me that rye has a problem with reality as he is projecting his problems of whining on others. " S. McMasters wrote on Oct 25, 2009 9:52 AM: " I suspected that rye and Epstein may have been the same person Gotcha. Maybe yes, maybe know, but don't be so smug. There may be more than one person playing that game. Of course, I can't prove it, but who cares? I see that rye asked McLaury how smart he thinks rye is? I would be interested to see the answer, but I would guess that an honest answer would not be printed. " Don Cicci wrote on Oct 25, 2009 9:56 AM: " Seems to me that the wiretaps were upheld. They are still being used. Would you have a problem rye or Epstein or whichever split persnonality you may be today with a wiretap that saved your family's life or is your answer a Dukakis answer? " John Clum wrote on Oct 25, 2009 10:10 AM: " The disconnect that rye has from reality is astounding. He essentially claims that it is the right that is trying to establish authoritarian rule. I guess the Hugo Chavez style/Chicago style activities do not bother him, but then again one would expect that it would not. What happens with the left and it it is part of a well established playbook is to continue to repeat the same lies, marginalize your opponents with personal attacks, never answer a question directly, project your views as the views of the opposition. The people on the right are not monolithic thinkers. many conservatives and Republicans opposed the expansion of government under Bush. We did not like the expenditures. That is no justification to triple the debt in one year. Get a grip Epstein there is more diversity of thought on the right than on the left. I read Buckley and Goldwater, sorry. The forest is in the way of Epstein seeing the trees when he talks about the right being in your "knickers". Without elaboration, only the willfully blind cannot see how the Obama administration has infiltrated and/ or tried to infiltrate every aspect of American life. Geez, I get a "tingle up my leg" every time I think of it. Thanks Robert for not accusing us of all being Whackos. That is a step forward. " George wrote on Oct 25, 2009 12:16 PM: " Gotcha wrote on Oct 24, 2009 8:41 AM: " Rye and Robert Epstein are the same person." S. McMasters wrote on Oct 25, 2009 9:52 AM: " I suspected that rye and Epstein may have been the same person Gotcha. Maybe yes, maybe know, but don't be so smug. There may be more than one person playing that game. Of course, I can't prove it, but who cares? Don Cicci wrote on Oct 25, 2009 9:56 AM: " Would you have a problem rye or Epstein or whichever split persnonality you may be today with a wiretap that saved your family's life or is your answer a Dukakis answer? " These worthy contributors belong on Fox News. " rye wrote on Oct 25, 2009 3:03 PM: " "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D." --Tom Harkin " rye wrote on Oct 26, 2009 6:39 AM: " Bush Conducted Illegal Wiretaps of American Citizens Bush has admitted to authorizing the NSA, a secretive spy agency, to conduct warrantless wire taps on American citizens. The spying even extends to postal mail. The NSA has also been collecting phone records in an attempt to build a database of every phone call that is made. Google this subject Don..You'll find that those wiretaps were illegal as could be. Maybe you learned that they were legal, from Fox. " Don wrote on Oct 26, 2009 10:00 AM: " Bye, bye Eppie. It is always worth hearing somebody else's opinion regardless of what it is. I repeat: " Would you have a problem rye or Epstein or whichever split personality you may be today with a wiretap that saved your family's life or is your answer a Dukakis answer? " How about you George. How far would you go to save your family? " rye wrote on Oct 26, 2009 12:58 PM: " The disconnect that rye has from reality is astounding. He essentially claims that it is the right that is trying to establish authoritarian rule I see where you're coming from...FOX...and the rest of the wingbat mother ship....Reality is in the other direction. Hugo Chavez...what bull..I's an analogy invented by Fox .EVERYTHING Obama has done is constitutional.. Why not try reading it..next step would be trying to understand it...if you did both, the only violations of the constitution we'd be talking about are those of the previous administration... Can't get over Bush? I will when the country does. Another complaint that Obama doesn't march in lockstep with what your opinion is, of Afghanistan..Oh well...I'm sure you know more than he does.... and the very idea that he should listen to more than one opinion...I see your point, he certainly does differ from your hero. .He hasn't fired any generals yet, for giving their opinions...but that would be authoritarian, wouldn't it. OK Obama listens to everybody. Everybody does not have anything meaningful to say.Obama listens to the left, period and how do you know? You Monday Morning quarterbacks know more than the president... second guessing is your thing.' Typical of the right the fact is, that it really doesn't matter what Obama does, the right is going to disagree... and to him..your disagreement is uninformed...which is where Fox comes in...They're not going to inform you..keep in mind that the failure of America is what they predicted, and what they strive for. .and you're not going to even attempt to diversify your...their...viewpoint, so you've deliberately placed yourself in a position where you cannot learn any more than they tell you...which is where I started, last week. ...you're right where they want you. The established playbook is to repeat the same lies...you're right..It sure worked on you. You're still talking about Obama taking over...You're still listening to CheneySpeak... You don't seem to remember that the office of special projects (Cheney's propaganda office) has closed...long ago.. Obama's takeover..is a wingbat myth, and you refuse to let it go... Out of control spending..no, IN control spending Triple the defecit?...Maybe..but it's OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS..Of course Fox won't tell you that... and the stuff he's spending on..i.e. public option, auto industry, is going to wind up SAVING YOU MONEY...but Fox hasn't told you that yet... Mr. Clum, I have'nt accused EVERY ONE of you of being a wacko...you have to earn the distinction....nuff said...for now. Whomever mentioned that there are comments in opposition is correct...and I LOVE that...Keep em coming " rye wrote on Oct 26, 2009 3:05 PM: " Obama wants to take over. 1. Healthcare The ONLY way the government could take over health care, is with a single payer system. NO OTHER WAY. A single payer system, like medicare, would place the government between you and your choice of insurance companies. NO SUCH OPTION EXISTS. It's not on the table,and nobody is discussing it... Under ANY OF THE BILLS UNDER DISCUSSION, you'd have your choice of insurance companies...BUT YOUR PREMIUMS WOULD GO DOWN... why? Because ONE COMPANY..the Public Option, would offer a COMPETITIVE policy, for a lower rate. How much lower? Somewhat, but not beyond the present company's ability to compete. Well, what's this I hear about the government offering FREE HEALTH CARE? A bunch of bull. It's never even been discussed! HUH? Here are some facts you have to digest; 1. Health insurance costs money. IF...you qualify, the government will subsidize..that is, help...with your payment. That doesn't mean it's going to pay the whole thing. It doesn't mean you can go to ao government clinic, free. That's the kind of lie you hear from the mother ship. It has nothing to do with realilty. PUBLIC OPTION What's gaining support now, is a STATE OPT OUT ..that is, a state can elect to participate, or not. Does that sound like Obama wants to take over health care? No, but cults are virtually impossible to de program... Questions? AUTO INDUSTRY I have already explained that one. The Auto industry is merely the headpin. YOU WOULDN'T WANT IT TO FAIL..Some of you say you do, but you've so constrained yourselves, that you cannot have all the information you need for a logical examination of the situation BANKS Not Obama's doing...but absolutely necessary. We can't even start a recovery without a healthy banking system... WE UNDERSTAND That you wont change your mind (s) but that doesn't matter. Those of you, whom I mentioned in my original post, who INSIST on remaining in the dark, will do so. The country will continue its recovery without you. THEN WHAT You'll huddle and do your best to avoid giving Obama credit for the economic recovery of America...You'd pull your own teeth out with a pliers, before you'd admit that Obama is doing the right thing " John Clum wrote on Oct 26, 2009 6:15 PM: " Have fun rye. You are so obssessed. Guees some folks really got to you. Read all this stuff on MoveOn.org. See ya. Nothing new here even worth a reply. Guess you will think "I won" . There is absolutely nothing that you have said that shows you have any objectivity where the President is concerned or you would not agree with EVERYTHING as nobody can be 100% right all the time. I lost count of the number of times you referred to "mothership" which clearly demonstrates that a you can shoot are blanks. It is amazing that you KNOW exactly what would happen with the implemenation of all these programs. You must be a god. If you disagree or don't like anything then it was invented by Fox. Well that's enough. You win. Happy now? Reading you stuff is comaparble to walking through a cow pasture. Bye now. " rye wrote on Oct 27, 2009 7:18 AM: " Moveon? Try Google...you'll find it right there. Don't be frightened by those "Libruls" under your bed, and in your closet. Did you see the film clips of Dana Perrino admitting that the W.H. threatened NBC that they'd be denied access to news, unless they fired Olbermann? Did you see her admit that they denied MSNBC access to news... and you continue to whine about Fox? Did you see that Fox's allegation that the W.H. cut them out of an interview, turned out to be a hoax? Speaking of Hoaxes.....check this out Hey Rush! I've Got Some Satire I Wanna Sell You Glossy News (satire) - 3 hours ago If you're Rush Limbaugh, you make up some half-baked excuse why you're not a complete dumb ***for falling for yet another hoax. Seems Rush picked up on a ... Limbaugh falls for Obama thesis hoax - but is in no Rush to apologize New York Daily News Rush Limbaugh fooled by Obama hoax but will he apologize? (video) Examiner.com Obama Thesis Hoax Punks Rush Limbaugh (it's all on Google news) and once Rush found out that he's been fooled , he said "well, we all know he believes it anyway. John, you've created a little fantasy world for yourself..fed by Fox. You're exactly the type of person I described in my original post... " Rye wrote on Oct 27, 2009 7:20 AM: " The Tea Party you should attend, is the one thrown by the mad hatter...on YOUR side of the looking glass " Johnny Vesuvio wrote on Nov 12, 2009 5:05 PM: " Sleep well Green Valley, Robert Epstein knows all and will provide you with answers to questions you did not even know you had. What a lkoser. " rye wrote on Nov 13, 2009 7:19 AM: " Spell that "Smack you upside the head with reality Johnny.".. 1. Fox gets caught doctoring tapes of Beck's teabagger rally 2. Fox gets caught "inventing" a controversy over being denied access to an interview with Kenneth Fineberg...turns out Fox was NOT denied access, they made up the whole thing 3. Fox AGAIN gets caught doctoring a video, to try to show that Michelle Bachmann...of all people...actually drew a significant audience.. BUT YOU DON"T CARE you believe whatever the vast propaganda machine of your mothership tells you.. You've joined the Army of Failure, Johnny...you NEED a smack upside the head with reality... It's your worst enemy. " rye wrote on Nov 13, 2009 7:20 AM: " Did I forget to tell you that I AM Robert Epstein....just in case SOME of you, haven't figured that out... " Johnny Vesuvio wrote on Nov 13, 2009 1:24 PM: " We know know and what you are RYE, Robert. I would love for you to try to smack anybody upside their head. It is so easy to be brave hiding behind a blog. We know your type - cowards afraid to lift their heads out of the sand. If you would like to try to smack me upside the head, I can arrange that meeeting. Back to the "mothersip". Don't you have anything original? Did I forget to tell you that you are a loser. Still waiting for you to address a multitude of questions made by others. Usually when things go unanswered it is because the loser has nothing to say and knows nothing. Just critique spelling errors made because folks type too quickly and just hit send. Still shooting blanks little Eppie. " Truly Amazed wrote on Nov 13, 2009 1:31 PM: " After being away for several weeks, I returned to see that RYE who we all know is Robert Epstein is still trying to get in the last word on this thread. Watch and see that when this is finally all over, his will be the last entry and he will feel so good about himself and declare himself the winner. Real debaters will often concede a point, no matter how minor, but not Mr. Epstein, the self proclaimed Oracle of Green Valley. The fact that he is still carrying on is indicative of an obssession. Truly Amazed! " Truly Amazed wrote on Nov 13, 2009 1:35 PM: " Did I forget to say how Truly Amazed I was to discover that RYE is actually Epstein? While Epstein is correcting spelling maybe he will realize that a question is followed by a question mark? " Jason wrote on Nov 13, 2009 1:45 PM: " I think I read some of Mr. Epstein's postings before - in Pravda. " Searcer wrote on Nov 14, 2009 9:46 AM: " rye: Have you seen the polls that clearly show that FOX is viewed more than all other cable news outlets combined? Have you seen the polls that show FOX as viewed almost equally by Republicans, Independents and Democrats? Have you seen the polls that show FOX as viewed almost equally between Conservatives and Liberals? I've never seen a debate without both sides well represented. Do the names of Democrats (Liberals) Haraldo Ravera, Bob Beckle or Juan Williams sound familiar? Those are just a few Democrats (Liberals) that are regulars on FOX I think it's best that you NOT view FOX because it might show you the other side of the story. Keep your head in the sand where you are comfortable.....easier on your blood pressure. Fanning's commentary was right on target...your "commentary" was childish and poorly written. " Searcher wrote on Nov 14, 2009 9:47 AM: " rye....have you not seen the polls that clearly show that FOX is viewed by more than all the other cable news outlets COMBINED? Have you not seen the Rasmussen poll that clearly shows that FOX's viewers are almost balanced between Conservatives and Liberals, Republicans, Liberals and Democrats? I have never seen FOX discuss a subject without someone from the other side given equal time on the topic. Do the names Bob Beckle, Juan Williams and Ravira " Submit a Comment |
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Avenger wrote on Oct 18, 2009 7:26 AM:
Chris Matthews said it is his job to make sure that Obama succeeds. Mr. Epstein has no problem with this clear bias, but maybe that is because he also gets a tingle up his leg like Matthews.
Epstein has a problem that Beck uses people's own words to indict them. He quotes their socialist writings and statements. There is something wrong with that? He would like these people's views to remain in the shadows until they have total control.
Glad you are watching FOX Robert. Maybe one day you will actually learn something instead of paraphrasing the far left.
Robert has left the left wing "mothership" and is floating around in space looking for ways to silence any opposition. The attacks on FOX are no more than what Chavez does in Venezuela. Robert has no problem with that. Birds of a feather. Robertbelieves in the tyranny of the far left. Your secret is out Robert. "